Musical honesty

When it comes to creative pursuits, I’m a big believer in honesty.

Let’s say you have a good friend who’s putting out some kind of creative content, and you think their creative content sucks. Or maybe not ‘sucks’, but you feel they could do better – but you don’t tell them because you don’t wanna hurt their feelings.

In my opinion, that makes you a bad friend.

If you can’t trust your friends to have your back, who can you trust? Putting aside those few people who cry and bitch at the first sign of criticism – and I’d argue such people shouldn’t be creating any kind of content at all if they’re not capable of handling anything less than adulation – criticism should be encouraged. It’s not rude to be critical of someone else’s work if you’re constructive of it, not just saying ‘this sucks’ but saying ‘hey, I wanted to talk to you about that thing you did, cos it didn’t seem like your best’ and maybe going into why. They’ll appreciate your candour, and be grateful that you’re saying what nobody else will. In some cases you’ll even become their go-to guy or girl for opinion, because they know you’ll be straight with them. And the other great benefit of this is that when you have something nice to say, it’ll be appreciated even more, because people will know you genuinely mean it.

There have to be rules, of course. I’ve learnt not to just send my opinion to people when it hasn’t been invited. I’ll wait for people to ask me what I think of something before I tell them. And in a lot of cases, it’ll just be a misinterpretation; there have been times where I say to someone “why did you do that?” and they give me a perfectly good reason that I hadn’t thought of before and it shuts me up. That’s where you have to realise the difference between what’s objectively wrong/bad and what’s just your personal preferences, which is a distinction I think I’m getting better at.

I’ll always endeavour to be respectful and try and give a balanced opinion. I won’t say “I think that song was lame”, I’ll say “I think that song could have been stronger; here are the things I think let it down, but bear in mind this is just my take on it”.

And most importantly, I’d never bother sending anyone an email saying “here’s how I think you could improve” if I didn’t believe in their existing talents and their abilities to push themselves further. It’s tough love. Luke described it as the spit before the shine.

(I have very high standards, I should point out. If I think someone can do better than what they’ve done, I’ll say so, even if the content is still entertaining and enjoyed by other people. I don’t see the point of bothering if you’re not going to aim for the best.)

Anyway, I bring all this up because Alan asked what I thought about Erase This and I sent him back a review which was quite detailed and went into what I thought were the highs and lows of the album. Alan posted it in his blog, so I thought I’d link it here for two reasons. First of all, it gives you a review of an album by a fellow artist/friend which I feel is more objective than any of the others I’ve read, which tend to be posted on Tumblr and consist of words to the effect of “erase this is awesum lol”. But more importantly, it gives you an insight into my attitudes and approaches. I got a blog comment the other day saying:

we on the internet kind of piece together who you are based on your videos and blogs, and it starts to form a whole person. You probably don’t realize this because you know yourself really well and it wouldn’t occur to you, but on the receiving end we’re soaking up every piece of information because we really don’t know you at all.

So I give you this review in the name of getting to know me a little better :) Click here to read it.

x

  • mrkyr

    I completely agree with you Alex. When you're good friends with someone, it is quite a bit more difficult to give honest criticism than when you're reviewing the work of someone who you don't know that well. As a writer, and someone who often edits other people's writing, I run into this quite a bit. I have to remind myself that I'm not doing my friend any favours by prevaricating or saying 'this is good enough'. I'm a firm believer that no matter how good something is, there is always a room for improvement, things that could be done better, and lessons to be learned.

    Your review of Alan's album is a great example of how criticism should work. You've done an excellent job of providing thoughtful, critical, and genuinely constructive comments. It's exactly the kind of review that I love getting when people read my writing. It shows me that you actually paid attention, and spent some time thinking about the creation that you're writing about. For me, it's quite frustrating when someone who is allegedly critiquing my work reads it and says 'oh yeah, that's good', or 'good job' or whatever. So sure, I can respect that maybe they don't care that much about teh subject matter, but when I ask for a critical reader that means I am actually *seeking* criticism. Fanboi/fangirl reactions are great to get, and very ego-boosting… but ultimately not very useful. As the creator, I'm so close to the material – so absorbed in it's creation and evolution through multiple iterations – that I don't have the necessary objectivity to find its faults.

    So anyway, this is my very wordy way of saying, Bravo Alex! That's the sort of review that shows you care about your friend's creation, and your friend's creative potential. And thanks for bringing this up, as honest criticism deserves as many fans as it can get.

    ~Bryce

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    I actually don't agree with your first point – I think it's easier to give honest criticism to friends than it is to strangers, because I don't feel you've earned the right to speak frankly about the work of strangers. For example, I like Mike Lombardo's music, but I've never spoken to him; so if his album comes out and I have some thoughts on it, and I shared those thoughts, I think I'd come across really obnoxious, compared to how he'd take it if we were friends.

  • Tess

    I agree! My friends are very sensitive and I get scared to tell them what I think sometimes, but I don't lie. I hate when people lie to you to make you feel better. I either keep my mouth shut or give my honest opinion, if they ask.

    I enjoyed this little bit of getting to know you better :)

    PS when are the Candy Floss shirts going to ship? I'm so excited to get mine!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/thepeteris The Peter

    Agreed. With the whole thing. Every bit of it. Which is rare, I tend to disagree with most of your opinions on art. Also, now I feel better about the times I've criticized you here before. Not that I ever felt bad about it, but now I feel like I was giving you what you wanted.

  • gem

    Too True! this blog is the best!

  • http://www.youtube.com/strgrlollie Olga

    This has nothing to do with anything, but I found an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry on you.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Alex_Day
    “Each Alex Day video features at least 5 minutes of pointless jumping around, screaming, arm waving and other homosexual activity.”

    Gotta love the internet.

  • http://letsponderthat.blogspot.com/ TT-Tardis time

    dearest Alex
    I believe in honesty. Always have always will. We create a person from your video's but when I read your blog I feel like you are becoming more human so just wanted to say keep blogging as one I like the fact that we are building up your character and two your insights on life really make me think.
    Thanks Alex. DFTBA

  • Christina

    Aw, that entry is so harsh :( The bit you've quoted is funny though :D

  • http://www.youtube.com/michaelaranda Michael Aranda

    As both an artist and a friend, your blunt honesty is probably the single biggest thing I respect about you.

  • Paperplate

    My best friend and I are actors (hobby). Since we're not in one group anymore, due to my studies, we can criticise ourselfs. And recently she did a play, in which she wasn't the best and it wasn't a problem for me to tell her that. Because you can only learn by your faults. I also told her what would have been better and I really liked the way she accepted my opinion and could improve.

  • mrkyr

    Yes, that I do agree with. I was thinking in the narrower context of solicited critique of non-friends, but I never properly said that. For example, I occasionally get hired to edit someone's writing, or asked by someone I don't really know to edit their writing. I find it way less stressful for me as an editor than when I'm reading something written by a friend. Ultimately, I try (successfully I think) to be equally honest in either case. I also agree that honest criticism from friends is much more useful as a creator, because – at least in my case – it gets more weight. The opinions of people I care about matter a lot more to me, and I think that's true for everyone. So yeah, I was thinking in a pretty narrow way about it.

    I think we are in agreement that consumers of media don't have the same right to critique; or rather, that the right to critique ends with not consuming the media. Is that a fair statement? There would be nothing served by me bitching at someone for making something I don't like, that is obnoxious. This doesn't at all address parody, which I think is awesome – at least when it's well done (and is, at some level, a form of flattery); or something like your Twilight videos, which are also a form of criticism as well as entertainment in their own right. Is the distinction the method? Don't get me wrong – I love and totally approve of your twilight videos – but I'm wondering how you would describe them in this context?

    With the ease of achieving interaction between content consumers and creators online there is an opportunity for fans to provide feedback to the creators of media. You'd be in a far better position than I to judge how effective this is. I would hazard a guess that you get a lot of very positive feedback (which makes sense, since I most of your followers are people who like you and your work and find you interesting), and a small amount of negative troll-y bullshit, and probably not a lot in-between. And I guess that's not really very useful feedback, except perhaps in the large scale of figuring out trends and overall validation.

    As your fan and not your friend, I don't feel entitled to tell you what I thought about your songs or videos except in the general sense of liking them, or preferring one over another for reason x, or y. And I can confidently say that I do like them, and I find you interesting and entertaining. So yeah – keep up the good work, and I hope your friends give you as honest and well-thought-out criticism as you gave Alan, so that you can continue to grow and improve.

    Bryce

    (edit: fixed typo)

  • Steph

    Yeah, this is definately true. However I do admit I find it hard to give friends critisism when they have done something that could be improved apon. I do find it hard, but I do it anyway. You know they'll thank you in the end even if their feelings are a bit hurt at first, which to be honest doesn't actually happen that often (for me anyway).
    I always hate it, though, when I tell the honest truth about something to one of my friends – that it's GOOD, and they say “Oh, you're only saying that because you're my my friend arent you?' But I know I'm not, because I tell the truth about my opinions when it comes to my friends. And other people for that matter.

  • username1117

    “That’s where you have to realise the difference between what’s objectively wrong/bad and what’s just your personal preferences”
    This is spot on. However, I do think the person doing the reviewing should have a certain knowledge base. You know about music, so you get to review it, but I don't know if I would take your opinion on say, photography. (This is just an example!) How can you be objective if you don't know about the field?
    Off topic, but I am wondering why the comments on older posts have been closed?

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    You're totally right. People think I'm awesome or I should go die. I have a huge amount of people who just hate what I do or how I treat people, despite having never met me, knowing nothing about me and never coming to me to actually disclose what it is they dislike or hear my side of it. Controversy polarises people. As, I believe, does real talent. (And self-important statements like that. xD)

    Regarding the Twilight videos – she's not a good writer. I send an email to Luke and Alan saying “this was cool, maybe work on the vocals” because I think they can be better. If they'd sent me Twilight, I'd say “maybe writing isn't for you”. Factor in the phenomenon of Twilight and that people (fewer and fewer, mercifully) think she's genuinely talented and I feel in a strong position to inform people otherwise. And really, I'm using the least biased method there is; reading the book aloud.

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    Yeah, totally :D If I ever reply to you and it seems like I'm pissy, I apologise, cos I do enjoy bantering back and forth with people :) And yeah, you've definitely caught my eye as an honest blog commenter, so thank you for that.

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    Hahahahahaha xD

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    Thanks, GORGEOUS :D

  • Dana

    I'm not going to lie (especially since the blog post is about honest) I think the quote at the end is rather beautiful. But I also think that it doesn't just apply to the internet. The people we know and how we perceive them are complied from our interactions with them. We ‘piece together’ our friends and acquaintances based on their actions and conversations and our own observations. The more you talk with someone the more it begins to form that person in your mind. And that’s why people should never say they know someone, because people are a jigsaw puzzle of the perceivers own creation. You could spend every second of every day with someone but in the end the only one who truly knows you is you, because even if you experience all the same things as another person what you take away from that experience and how you view it will be entirely different.

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    This is true. A big part of the reason behind reviewing DFTBA music is that I have a strong investment in maintaining the level of quality that DFTBA puts out because I associate myself with the label.

    Every thread closes comments after 14 days have passed – just makes it easier for me to monitor, keeps conversations current :)

  • mrkyr

    I initially drew a different comparison in my previous post to get to the same question, and then I was like… wait, I can't compare Stephanie Meyer to Alex, even hypothetically; I simply cannot. xD It's a mystery to me how that book got published, and the 'phenomenon' of it bewilders me.

    I also believe Talent polarises. I think there's an element of envy/jealousy in that. Where's the line between self-confidence and self-importance? Confidence is sexy, but when does it become arrogance? My interpretation of Alex Day is relatively confident and refreshingly forthright, not self-important or arrogant. xD

    And to echo some of the other comments, I too enjoyed this bit of getting to know you better.

  • kaylap

    How lovely!
    I just received the album today in the post! And after listening to disk 1 a few times through, and then reading the review, there are a lot of the points I strongly agree with.
    But that's not the point of this blog post.
    I really don't know how I feel about this. It's probably because I'm just to much of a pussy to ever ask for the help, or criticism. I guess I'm not actually happy with my work myself, and know it's shit. So once I actually do something I'm proud of, and I share it with my friends asking for criticism, then I guess I'll know how I feel about this.
    But about giving the criticism, that's great. I love the feeling of helping my friends improve on stuff. (I know, I sound like a total ass. Not being good enough to do anything right, but telling my friends how to improve. It's not that I'm not *good* at these things, I'm just never proud of them. That doesn't make me sound any better, now does it?)
    Sigh. I'm so lame.

    Kayla

  • Sarah

    I have been finding myself in the position lately of critic for a friend's work and I'm ashamed to admit that I've been a gigantic wuss about it. He does photo manipulation and as a general statement, I'm extremely impressed with the strides he's made in the relatively short time he's been doing it. However, when he comes to me with something I feel like I don't have the right to dish out criticism because I have no idea how to do any of the things he's doing. I fall back on “it looks good” and then I kick myself. In college, my emphasis was creative writing and that involved a lot of workshops. It was IMMENSELY helpful to get constructive feedback on my writing. For one thing, it made me look at my work with new eyes whereas before I had spent so much time poring over the damn poem that I was a little sick of it. As mrkyr pointed out, honest criticism means that the person cared enough to really delve into your creation. Speaking as any kind of artist, that's huge.

  • kaaatee

    Hey alex:) I really loved this blog post and read the review that you wrote about Erase This and I thought it was really well thought out and probably the most helpful and honest reviews I have ever read. I am quite a blunt person and if my friends ask me for my opinion I will give it, whether it is nice or not:/ but instead or hateing me for it people actually seem to appreciate it, which is nice:) love your videos:) BYEEE

  • Chrissie

    i agree with the person about piecing together bits and getting to “know you” better. thats why i read your blog and watch your videos; you totally fit the personality of all my best friends combined! :D

    and i do agree that to really review music/art/etc. you really need good background knowledge on the person/artist and their other works because otherwise how can you give true honest and constructive feedback? like you said you can't just go ' this sucks' or 'this is awesome' like a babbling idiot who has no clue what their talking about. thats why criticism from a friend is best because they do know you best and your abilities. plus you're much more inclined to explain to them where your head was on the piece you made then to some random reviewer.

    and alex, i appreciate that you really take time to make sure your friends do the best they can and that they know your true opinion. i do that too and i know that its really appreciated. rock on! XD

  • Mortadelle

    “‘Cos even if he’s more available, he won’t have my honesty” ;)

    Anecdote #1: Had a friend in high school who wanted/needed me to like and dislike the same things she did. Didn't last.
    Anecdote #2: Had a friend who thought comments like “where'd you get that green poncho?” said in a very neutral tone meant “It's ugly like shit, my eyes are burning, throw it away”. Didn't last.
    Anecdote #3: The Twilight books are so poorly written it actually got me angry. “Even I can write better than this!!!!” So I did start something… Wrote a first draft of part of the backbone, about 12 pages, sent it to a friend who's a bookworm graduated in literature (like me) and got a big page of criticism.

    Bliss ensued.

    He's one of my best friends and he was really concerned his criticism could have saddened me. Not at all! I loved it completely! Besides the obvious problems I myself saw, he actually put into words some things I hadn't seen, and some I couldn't put my finger on! And he managed the “maybe this is an author's choice, we'll see…”

    Anecdote #4: Nathalie Bondil (director) of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Montréal said something like: art is not about loving what is considered as good and hating what isn't. It's: does it speak to you, does it touch you. Does it make you feel emotions. Do you like it.

    I think, yes, there is constructive criticism. And there is emotion. I guess that is why it's hard to balance the two: you want to be true to your emotions, and true to talent too, and true to potential. Is the emotion undermined by the critique? Does the critique overshadow the emotion?

    I think you managed it :D I'm happy to have friends as honest as you in my life :)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/thepeteris The Peter

    I've always been impressed with your responses to my criticism. They've never been pissy, they've always been intelligent. Usually I read whatever you say back and end up thinking, “Well crap, just a difference in opinion, nowhere to go from here.”

  • Beth

    I really like this.
    When I was writing my A Level English Language coursework I asked my friends who also studied English Language to review it and nobody gave me any useful advice. There was only one friend who pointed out a problem with my pacing and suggested various methods of fixing this. My work was so much better and I was incredibly grateful to him.
    Honesty is definitely the best quality in a friend.

  • username1117

    Hey thanks for responding! Off topic again but you NEED to watch “Why Twilight is Popular” by epipheo (on youtube.). Bella = a Lego.

  • Daina

    I'm not a fan of Twilight in the least, however, I do think that this statement of yours was just plain absurd: “And really, I'm using the least biased method there is; reading the book aloud”.
    In what sense is that the least biased method? Sure, if your voice was completely monotonous and your face was expressionless, this would be the least biased method.

    However, you frequently provide your opinion regarding the novel, criticise it (where criticism is due, I guess – however, that is just my opinion) etc. Perhaps you should think a little more before attempting to justify/explain (whichever you prefer) yourself?

    You know, I also used to feel that I was in a position to “inform people otherwise”. Until you realise that hey, it's their opinion and this is just me being self-important and a bit of a pretentious prat.

    All up, an interesting read. However, I would like to see some entries in your blog that show a deeper level of insight, beyond the “I'm so great, I'm so great” type entries that have been littering your blog of late.

    Take care.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/LadyLucendaWillow?feature=mhw5 Lindsey

    Wow… I wish I had a friend who cared about what I had to say and my opinion…

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PhantasmicNirvana Lindsey

    Wow… I wish I had a friend who cared about what I had to say and my opinion…

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