Religion, tools and fashion

I listened to an audiobook by Julia Sweeney today and it got me thinking about the world – specifically the negative, hopeless view that atheists are perceived to have of the world. (I am an atheist. I know, scary stuff. As Sweeney said: “it’s one thing to say you don’t believe in God. It’s quite another to say you’re an ATHEIST.”)

Tim Minchin put it well when he said he does believe in things – “I believe in rocks, and gravity.” The natural world is amazing, and taking away a creator doesn’t diminish the amazement of our existence; for me, it enhances it. “You mean we developed to this level ON OUR OWN?!?”

Richard Dawkins said that all of the circumstances that led to our being alive, all put together, are so unlikely to happen – my mum could have just not slept with my dad, or a different sperm could have got through, or they’d have never met because my mum chose not to work at the bakery, or a million other things. Someone else could have been here instead of me, and it’s likely that these unborn ‘ghosts’ that never will be would include better musicians than Mozart, better writers than Shakespeare; and yet, I’m the one who gets his little moment to do things in his brief time on this planet.

And what’s great is, humans are fantastic tool-builders. Steve Jobs recounted a story of a survey he read, where various species were all being compared on their speed, and humans scored unremarkably about third or fourth from the bottom; but then they tested the other animals against a human on a bicycle, and we won outright. We’re great at using tools and inventing things. Everything that’s around us, everything man-made that we have, started off as nothing more than an idea in someone’s head, just like the ideas we all have every day. (Incidentally, Steve told this story because he described the computer as a ‘bicycle for our minds’.)

So we’ve evolved to a point where we can put strings on wood and make sounds, and change the shapes of our fingers to put like sounds together, and then here I am all this time later, listening to Green Day do just that – IN MY EARS! That’s AMAZING! So even though the scope of my existence doesn’t accommodate a supreme being, I still have plenty of reasons to look at the things around me with wonder.

I was reading Katy Perry’s wikipedia page earlier, and noticed she has really cool fashion. I’ve been focusing lately on making my image better, and concluded that bright ‘n’ tight was the way to go forward. But it’s not particularly innovative. Even the people like Perry and Lady Gaga, who are said to have great fashion sense, are just taking styles that were big decades ago and using them now. Nobody’s putting trousers on their heads and exposing half an arse cheek, which would be really different – and if they did, they’d just look silly anyway. I guess my stance on this is that as long as you’re comfortable and pick stuff you personally like without trying to fit in with what everyone else likes, it doesn’t matter. (Billie Joe Armstrong was once asked by a kid ‘what’s punk?’ So Billie Joe kicked over a trash can and said ‘that’s punk’. The kid kicked over a second trash can and said ‘that’s punk?’ and Billie Joe said ‘no, that’s trendy.’)

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  • Amii

    Wow, im glad that i am not the only person who thinks about things like this, and thanks to you,I will have greenday – 21 guns in my head for the rest of the night! O.O xxx

  • Lauren

    This is mostly a response to the whole Julia Sweeney quote you put in here. (And I fully admit that I don’t have any of this in context so feel free to ignore me.)

    I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the blog entry itself, but it’s just something I really want to know the answer to. Why does it matter if someone is an atheist?

    Why do people care? It just doesn’t make any sense to me.

    There are some things we can’t know. Like, in my astronomy class we’ve been talking about the First Cause (which is basically any explanation about the origin of the universe being something that can’t ever really be known because it is outside normal human experience) and how it is one of the fundemental questions that people want to answer. Where did it come from, why are we here?

    People can guess all they want. They can believe in a certain religion so much that it becomes a personal truth. They can simply accept that that’s the way it is. They can choose to just not think about it.

    I don’t know, I’m just really curious on why it matters to people. Is it just the idea that someone thinks your explanation is wrong? Or is it because in not believing that you’re right, it feels like your belief slips in credibility a little bit and that scares you because you don’t have a better explanation?

    Sorry, again, you can just ignore me if you want.

  • Natasha

    Excellent blog.

    And yay, you like Tim Minchin :).

  • http://eddplant.com eddplant

    Love the story at the end there. So true about fashion, I really want to do something outlandish and unexpected… but that’s just what everyone expects!

  • http://caitlinsykes.blogspot.com/ caitlin

    “Billie Joe Armstrong was once asked by a kid ‘what’s punk?’ So Billie Joe kicked over a trash can and said ‘that’s punk’. The kid kicked over a second trash can and said ‘that’s punk?’ and Billie Joe said ‘no, that’s trendy.’”
    I knew that, woo!
    and yeah i agree about the fashion stuff. :\

  • Rachel

    As a Green Day fan as well, I recognize the Billie Joe Armstrong story. And I love the Richard Dawkins bit.

    I prefer to classify myself as agnostic or non-affiliated because I cannot rule out the existence of a supreme being although I am thoroughly unconvinced as of now that there is one or many, if we’re getting into the possibility of polytheism. This was after all the belief of ancient Egyptians (through the majority of their civilization) and they were probably the greatest civilization on Earth. Not that religion has much to do with their scientific achievements.

    Besides who really knows whats out there? Many bizarre, outlandish things are true everyday, like the existence of the atom. Some people hundreds of years ago would have thought the idea of the atom heresy or just plain idiotic.

    When this debate comes up between other people I always think of Bill Maher’s documentary Religulous. Of course he has his own spin to things but he makes several good points. There are more non-affiliated persons than we think, one out of ten according to a Gallup poll I believe.

  • RachelMcKenzie

    i always think about things like this. like if my mum and dad hadn’t been in the same pub at the same time, i wouldn’t be here, or if they simply hadn’t slept together the time they had, i probably wouldn’t be here either.

    also i agree with your views about fashion, and i absolutely love that billie joe quote :)

  • dann

    yes to Tim Minchin like AUSOME
    and FUCK yeah to atheism
    it is actually crazy how awesome you are tbh

    like if you look at the size of the universe like
    how absolutely uncomprihendable and think how like before your individual life and sentient thought its like all that didn’t exist and the same with after life like all of that is so uncomplihendubly WOAH and stuff that if you really think about it that we are so small and here and gone so quickly compared to everything else that none of this even maters
    even the basic morality of the western world is all based in religion if you think about it (not that morality isn’t a good thing to believe in society and chaos and all that)
    but like if you keep that little thought niggling in your head its a bit of a shitter UNLESS like you said about all that totally random stuff sperm and bakers and all that. we are so totally random that if you think about it why need religion WE ARE THE FUCKING MIRYCAL

    Haha
    alex day is king
    bedoodoo

  • Eline

    Dude, this is an excellent blog post. I will save it and sleep on it tonight, and I might just come back and comment later.

    - Eline (elinious)

  • http://www.youtube.com/sagekiller Mandy

    whoa, deep o.o

    I believe there’s like millions of parallel universes where all those little differences in circumstances play out. So there’s no reason to worry about what could have been, or should have been. It’s all happening somewhere. Weird, I know XD

    And I really like that Billie Joe Armstrong quote! I love to dress punk goth, though kicking over trash cans isn’t really my thing lol

  • http://guidetonerdfighting.blogspot.com Chelsea

    i tried “bedoodoodoo” at Hank’s show in LA and no one joined in. it made me kind of sad! :( i hope if you ever come to LA that we’ll all be doing it. (the comment above mine says bedoodoo)

    anyway, everyone believes in something. but sometimes it isn’t God. hence why Universalist Unitarians allow atheists. (i say “allow” for lack of a better term. we don’t think we’re better than everyone else and are allowing someone a privilege. what a sucky way of thinking!)

    as for style, you should always do what makes you feel good. when you feel comfortable and attractive, that’s when you look your best! :) when you’re trying, it shows. and you don’t look comfortable, and it’s kind of off-putting.

  • tyler

    that was an amazing and very insightful blog to read. i think it takes a lot of courage for people to admit they are atheist and so i admire you for that. it took me a long time to tell myself that i was atheist.

    tyler.

  • http://22gt.blogspot.com Pooja

    “The natural world is amazing, and taking away a creator doesn’t diminish the amazement of our existence; for me, it enhances it.”

    ^Absolutely wonderful. It crazy when people don’t realize that they pushed themselves to do something, or create something. Ah, well. Nice blog, Alex. I loved it. =]

  • Julie

    Well…. to agree with your trend stuff, I will use a quote to an overly known song :)
    “I am an emo kid not conforming as can be.
    You would be non-conforming too, if you looked like me.”

    So, yeahh.. Nice, Nice. I am currently listening to your music, as I type this. Thought I might build in a compliment. I love it.

  • Ashley Kraus

    So I like the Twilight series and was looking on http://www.twifans.com/ and saw your YouTube video of you reading Twilight. Seeing as I’m from the US (Wisconsin ironicly) I was not used to your accent and that made me watch all three videos of you on YouTube. Accents are way too intriguing. Now I am left wondering whether or not you read the rest of the book (or series for that matter).

    I then stumbled onto your website and read this blog. VERY good blog, I must say. I’m also an Athiest and, damn, do we need to stick together. I don’t know if you’re interested by I wrote this blog and think it’s kind of rubbish but, I’m going to paste and post it any how. Perhaps you’ll read it, perhaps you won’t.

    Either way-very good stuff you’ve got here!
    Maybe you should ready HARRY POTTER and let us knwo what you think!

    It’s so unusual how life is, when you think about it, nothing more than a series of choices and events and moments and accidents. Life is nothing more than what the human species has made it. Life and society could function in different ways than what we know now but, for the past 100 years, society has come to run on the importance of education, money, the economy, and prosperity. In reality life could be so much more. Life could be what we REALLY want to make it. Life could be the simplicity of pondering about life itself. Why society came to be the way it is now no one can be sure. Perhaps it was the actions of our ancestors; their choices, so insignificant when looked at individually, but together they have made all the difference. Perhaps, for those who believe in “the higher power” life has been pre determined, a destiny, mapped for us by some invisible man in the sky. I believe that the human species, no matter how intelligent, will never be smart enough to know the key to our existence, our universe. Perhaps when the universe was created something was keyed in..something made sure that no species, race, or culture could ever fully grasp the meaning of life. Perhaps that is why so many look to a higher power for answers to life’s meaning. Everyone speaks of religion being built in from the beginning-there is no way that religion and the worship of Gods could be a coincidence in so many cultures, they say. Perhaps they are right-it is because those who are naive must have something to hold onto. It is simple-it is not meant to be! We, as a species, are not meant to KNOW. Although our species is young we have come so very far but we have not come any closer to really knowing how or why we came to be. Our species is the only species that has risen above the level of farcical-yes, I admit that. We have done our research, we have traveled far and wide, we have speculated and experimented but what have we come up with besides for more questions? The real determination of bullheadedness comes when one realizes that religious roots have no scientific or historical proof. It’s crazy to believe that a huge percentage of our population can believe in something that is not proven to be true but, as it has been determined, we are meant to ponder, to wonder. That is the beauty of life! To ponder is a man’s best weapon. A philosopher is the most attractive thing known to the human race for they have the knowledge and wisdom to ask questions! What is life if one believes in a higher power that they cannot prove exists? It is nothing! It is a LIE. Religion is a control mechanism for the masses. Religion has killed thousands, maybe even millions of innocent lives! It has brought with it The Crusades (Holy Wars). It has brought terrorism, fear, and unequal treatment and judgment of those with different beliefs than the majority. When the majority is not happy with another group’s beliefs they descriminate, kill, change and use the force of their majority. It is repeated again and again in history. It is noted in all versions of the bible. Jesus himself was persecuted for going against the grain of the majority when it came to worship. It should be a lesson to all that perhaps religion is nothing but a pacifier, an excuse. Perhaps those who cannot think for themseleves have allowed religion into their heads to fill “the void” with a buzz, a static, stagnant signal of false hope. A false hope that one day, through God, they will be able to become one with our Creator. IT IS A LIE. We are MEANT to be kept in the dark! You will never see the light! You will, and have always been, nothing compared to the universe in which we reside. We are a blink of an eye, we are simply one in billions of planets that hold life. We circle an insignificant star whose light will one day stop shining. All our wars, all the human lives, all the experiences, and all the failures of every living person will be forgotten. All records will be lost, broken into millions of microscopic atoms. All of human creation will be obliterated from the face of the universe. It simple to think that our lives are significant and that we were somehow “built in from the beginning” but the truth is, our planet and each one of our lives, is nothing compared to the universe that created us.

  • Lauren

    I just don’t understand at all how anyone can see these things that you mentioned you were amazed at and not think, “wow, there MUST be someone or something planning all this” I mean, you mentioned things like the bicycle, and the computer. These things did not just come into existence on their own. They started with an idea from someone, and then they CREATED it. All these variables that work out just perfect are not some complete amazing accident. How could they possibly be?

  • Crystal

    I’ve always been a bit jealous of atheists. So many people believe in God or a higher power, whatever you want to call it, and not just because they truly do, but because it’s so common and so accepted. But atheists have to go against all that, have to withstand people who think they’re crazy, mean, horrible, etc. I don’t know. Must take a lot of guts. Then again, if it’s what you honestly believe, then it shouldn’t take guts, just faith in yourself and your reasoning.

  • Crystal

    Oh, and referring back to your punk/conformity topic, there’s this quote I like by Bill Vaughn that goes, “If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist, it’s another nonconformist who doesn’t conform to the prevailing standards of nonconformity.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/thepeteris Peter

    This has quickly become one of my favorite blogs. And look up “Kevin Barnes” if you want a see a musician who gets fashion. And look up his band “of Montreal” if you want to hear a guy who…get’s music.

  • Chloe

    Hi. If I might ask, what do you think happens when you die? You know, to your soul? Don’t worry, I’m not a religious fanatic attacking you. I’m not religious. I am spiritual however. There is a HUGE difference, by the way. I believe for one that the soul is eternal. I do believe in reincarnation. I believe we have many lives in order to learn, and to see perspectives for all points of views. After the Earth dies or we finish reincarnating- if we do finish, I don’t know what happens and am content to find out the truth when I someday die.

    I think there are souls who have had more lives- and are therefore more advanced than others out there. But, I DON’T believe that there is an invisible man in the sky that created us and willed us to advance as far as we have.

    I actually agree with a lot that you posted- not just about religion, but the fashion as well.
    Great quote- while I’m at it. ^_^

    I know I didn’t really need to post my beliefs on here, but, Its just to show you my perspective. Or anyone who reads this my perspective.

  • Chloe

    As a different comment…..

    It is truly amazing about how certain things- small things- such as my Mom never meeting my Dad, or some other sperm made it through, something small that could have easily have gone differently lead to my being in this world, at this time, in this dimension, right now. I’m amazed!

  • Heather

    Ahh, thoughtful blog… It is really breaking from the mold to declare oneself an atheist in the society I grew up in, at least. While I might live in NYC, we are open to everyone (except the non-believers, don’t they realize they’re wrong?). People already assume that you have got to be the bleakest and most negative individual ever. Sometimes, you just have to shake your head. I think that everyone should sit back and think about evolution in a manner similar to yours. It’s fascinating, awe-inspiring and totally more kick-ass than any divine being. Yup, I just called evolution kick-ass.

    Anyway, wishing you the best of luck. Wish I heard more music like yours around here!

  • http://youtube.com/djlo247 TheRealDJLO

    hey alex, great post! im glad you think similarly to me

    stay open-minded and scientific.

  • Olivia

    I love everything you said SO MUCH! How is being atheist depressing? I find it the most joyful and liberating feeling ever!

    And in response to Chloe: yes! Sprituality is WAY different from religion! And I believe that when you die, the soul decomposes into spirit-matter just like the body decomposes. Then the soul bits get made into something new just like happens to the body.

    Anyways, I’m spiritual, but I’m also an atheist. Does that make sense?

  • Phil

    Hey! I found what you said to be very true. Being an atheist myself I will admit that it can on occasion be depressing but it’s cool to think that we all came to be out of total coincidence. Also if you want bad ass punk rock check out Iggy and The Stooges. Ron Ashton was a beast at guitar.

  • Katya

    Don’t TRY to be stylish :) you are fine as you are, and that’s you.

  • Christi

    First of all I would like to say that your taste in music is absolutely excellentt. and i definitely love your reading of twilight…keep it up. sooo…atheists believe that everything and everyone just came to be as part of a giant coincidence. if my mom hadn’t met my dad i wouldn’t be here and all that. they say it’s more liberating to think of the world as having no control. I personally would find that frightening. to think that one situation in life that is out of my control could change everything. scary. what if you took into consideration that there is someone that thought up this whole thing called earth and is in control. what if there is a greater being who picked out exactly what you would be like when you were born instead of leaving it up to chance. what if everything happens for a reason and nothing is an accident. I won’t tell you what religion or spirituality or whatever i am. that doesn’t matter. just think about how life would be different if you realized that someone loving was in control and nothing is an accident. life is a bit more meaningful then isn’t it?

  • http://www.carm.org Sean

    Interesting thoughts, [to read that is, I certainly didn't think them on my own : )] I am however amazed at how one can be an atheist. What bothers me about the atheistic world view is how it continually fails to account for existence altogether. We obviously exist (I’m hoping that’s at least the one thing you and I can agree on), but how did this come to be? You might be shouting in your mind “Evolution you nincompoop!” but that doesn’t really answer the question I’m really getting at. Atheistic worldviews fail to give a reason for the beginning to the universe. Our leading scientists (Stephen Hawking for one) tell us our universe came into existence, but similar to your world view they can’t explain how or why.

    A big bang ocurred! Kablooey! And then little by little a universe of particles began a journey that would lead them together to eventually create life as we know it… but what started the big bang? In the beginning there was.. nothing… which exploded? But let’s say you think Stephen Hawkings is wrong and that the universe has always been here. If you thought that, it would seem to make sense except when you consider two things: time and energy. If the universe is infinitely old then energy would (had never had an origin for one thing, but let’s ignore that) have ceased as the 2nd law of thermodynamics states. But more importantly, and a bit harder to follow, we never would have arrived at this point in time… Yes it might seem a bit confusing but if the universe was never brought into existence and it was infinitely old then that would mean that there was an infinite amount of time before this moment. If you’ve studied any advanced mathematics or physics you will know that it is impossible to transgress an infinity. In other words there’s no way this moment could have arrived yet or in the future. Odd, yes I know. The universe must have come into existence by a causal event; something caused it’s awakening. The origin of this would therefore have to be something other than the universe and it’s materials. In other words, it would have to be something not comprised of matter or energy. So we would get an immaterial, inexhaustible, spatially transcendent cause. Christians like myself call this cause God.

    “But what created/caused God?!?” you might ask. I really hope you wouldn’t have asked a question like this, at least not out loud or within vicinity of others that could hear you, because honestly such a question isn’t particularly well thought out. There wasn’t anything or anyone that created God. He is the one uncaused cause. You may not like the idea that God is uncaused event that begins everything but you see the whole cause and affect theory doesn’t work without a beginning progenitor. The dominoes don’t fall in sequence until you knock the first one down. The universe doesn’t exist until it’s brought into existence by a deliberate, transcendent, immaterial being.

    So which world view accounts for this? The bible says in Psalm 90:2 that God exists “from everlasting to everlasting”. Tell you what, you don’t have to buy into these arguments just yet, how about you research some other pieces of evidence? What do you have to lose? Your pride (If you’re wrong) maybe? [Do you really need that pat on the back saying "you're right" all the time...] How about your intellectual satisfaction with your current world view? [Being informed is better than being happy, especially if your crossing a street and about to be hit by a car] Well, how about your time? [Keep in mind eternity is a long time to be wrong]

    So check out some of the following (at least then you can say that you looked at some Christian arguments and that you have an open mind. It’s not hard or too time consuming trust me! Heck some of them are in video format so you don’t even have to read!)

    http://www.carm.org/objections-and-answers
    http://www.carm.org/evidence-and-answers
    http://www.carm.org/atheism

    God bless,
    -Sean

  • Meaghan

    I’m an atheist as well, and I was raised in Catholic schools, so I know what some of these other commenters mean when they say we have to stick together, haha.

    Have you ever thought about genetic determinism? It’s the theory that I subscribe to most closely. It basically says that, while any number of possible events appear to be possible, our genes dictate our reaction to a single event. Say you poke me – as a human, it would be within my ability to yell, hit you, or fall on the floor. However, my genes say that I am going to swear at you, so I do. This is the only thing I can do in this situation, even though it looks like it isn’t.

    It doesn’t say that we have a gene for every single event that has ever happened. It’s basically a big snowball effect – everyone reacting to everyone else that creates what is happening right now. But, what is happening right now is the only thing that could have been, because it is the product of billions of people reacting in the only way that they ever would have. It’s not fate and it can’t predict the future, but when something happens it is the only thing that COULD happen. I hope I did an alright job explaining that!

    Also, parrot stories is really good. (:

  • Eloise

    The point you made at the beginning about developing to the level on our own is similar to an argument I had with my maths teacher. He said that it was amazing the God built the world on maths, but is it not much more amazing that the world built ITSELF on maths? The world and nature needs maths to function. Surely that is a much better compliment to maths? I don’t know, it just seems more amazing to me. Less easy.

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    No, I wouldn't like that at all! To have something decide FOR ME what I'm going to be like? No, I want to decide for myself! And no, it still wouldn't be meaningful, you'd just spend your whole life over-analysing things, trying to work out what the grand plan is. Sounds rubbish.

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    The problem of infinite regress could be solved by God, but it could just as easily be solved by the idea of the Big Bang. (No, I don't think the universe has 'always been here'.) What we've both done is just thrown a start point on our theories and gave them both names. You call yours God, and I – and science – call ours Big Bang. There's no reason at all for God to be immune to the regress, other than that you've decided he is; there's no reason for the Big Bang theory to be immune, either, but I'm not claiming that atheistic views provide worldly knowledge on the creation of the universe. We put our faith in science, and science hasn't worked it out yet. The difference for me between science and religion is that science changes/strengthens its beliefs based on what's observed; religion is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

  • wassie

    Okay. Well I clearly skipped over the first 87.562 paragraphs, and went straight to the last 2. And I gotta say. HILARIOUS.

    But I think you could write a thesis on whatever you were going on about. Like I'm sure it was interesting and all. But I just didn't have the energy to read it all. SOrry.

    ::D

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    No, I wouldn't like that at all! To have something decide FOR ME what I'm going to be like? No, I want to decide for myself! And no, it still wouldn't be meaningful, you'd just spend your whole life over-analysing things, trying to work out what the grand plan is. Sounds rubbish.

  • http://alexdaymusic.com Alex

    The problem of infinite regress could be solved by God, but it could just as easily be solved by the idea of the Big Bang. (No, I don't think the universe has 'always been here'.) What we've both done is just thrown a start point on our theories and gave them both names. You call yours God, and I – and science – call ours Big Bang. There's no reason at all for God to be immune to the regress, other than that you've decided he is; there's no reason for the Big Bang theory to be immune, either, but I'm not claiming that atheistic views provide worldly knowledge on the creation of the universe. We put our faith in science, and science hasn't worked it out yet. The difference for me between science and religion is that science changes/strengthens its beliefs based on what's observed; religion is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

  • wassie

    Okay. Well I clearly skipped over the first 87.562 paragraphs, and went straight to the last 2. And I gotta say. HILARIOUS.

    But I think you could write a thesis on whatever you were going on about. Like I'm sure it was interesting and all. But I just didn't have the energy to read it all. SOrry.

    ::D

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